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		<title>political science job rumors &#187; Topic: Comments on Campus Visits</title>
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146248</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^^ Similar experiences with the occasional (15% sounds about right) no follow-up after an interview, and then just getting a standard rejection letter months later (I'd called other faculty earlier and learned the outcome...except in one case where I learned it listening to someone else being congratulated on the job).</p>
<p>Most amusing was getting the standard "We're sorry but others were more qualified" letter from a place that I had turned down after getting an offer.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146242</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>You have to do 1 on 1s.  It is hard to schedule a talk early on because talks are often at noon to maximize the number of faculty that can attend. A good solution to this is to schedule meetings with deans, the chair of the dept, graduate students,  or  with people outside the subfield of the candidate prior to talk. 1 on 1s after the talk should all be with members of same subfield. In smaller departments this may no be feasible but it's worth trying. </p>
<p>It is also important to give candidates a complete schedule of the visit prior to their arrival.  This helps them prepare for the inteview. Note to candidates:  if you can't bother to learn what the people at the department you are interviewing at do, then you are an idiot and will rightly punished for this. You should know well what all the people in your subfield do, and have a general sense of what everyone else you are meeting with does (eg. that person does African politics, that person does IPE, etc). There are no excuses for not knowing, even if their CV is not online. Google Scholar, online journal searches, jstor, etc. No excuses.  And yes we will be offended by this-- you are showing a complete lack of disinterest in your would-be future colleagues.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146233</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^^ It is horribly rude to provide no follow-up to candidates you actually brought to campus to interview, and pathetically cowardly to ignore them if they try to contact you after hearing nothing for an appropriately long while.  </p>
<p>That being said, about 10-15% of the interviews I've had have ended just like that -- no formal rejection, no informal rejection, and a chair hiding under his desk.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146209</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^ also means he is not interested anymore.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146200</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Still haven't heard anything from the chair and it has now been two months. Got unofficial notice from others, but it would be nice for the chair to keep the folks who actually interviewed informed officially.  And not replying to an email reveals a lack of class.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146186</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dorm room poster: It didn't work out at all. All I did was drink the night before because the internet didn't even. I could have gotten a nice hotel for what was paid. (and a night alone for the **** tax I got dinged for later on)
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146163</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^ Please don't. At every single CHYMPS department where I've interviewed, I have picked up so much dirt about people around the department by asking the grad students a fairly innocent question like, "What are the strengths and weaknesses of graduate training here?"
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146162</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Tell your graduate students the rules regarding legal interview questions.  This meeting can go downhill quickly if you don't.  Also tell them it's not time to air their grievances against the department.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146151</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I took an non-teaching job at another school. Sure, they reimbursed my stay in the dorm room, but after I got the job they took the taxes for the reimbursement out of my check. Nobody could quite answer how that worked, either. **** job too. </p></blockquote>
<p>So they booked a dorm room for you, right next to some undergraduates? How did that work out?
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-146132</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I applied at a tiny school for a VAP. I was in need of employment. I drove up, as I could stay with relatives, but they offered absolutely nothing in the way of anything for reimbursement, mileage or anything else. Thanks for nothing, hippie ****. I was young, and this was my first job interview. Nobody had prepped me on what to ask for. I bombed it, but was not unhappy when they gave it to somebody else.<br />
I took an non-teaching job at another school. Sure, they reimbursed my stay in the dorm room, but after I got the job they took the taxes for the reimbursement out of my check. Nobody could quite answer how that worked, either. **** job too.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-145836</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Leader of Cheer is right.  I'm also very impressed by a department that offers me information about job talk/teaching demo up front, rather than making me ask and ask and ask.  I had to give a teaching demo this year (for a job I got and took), and I had been forewarned by my colleagues (and folks on this board) that departments will often not tell you until the last minute about the logistical details (how many students, what kind of class/room, tech availability).  In my first contact with my (new home) department, as soon as they told me they wanted a teaching demo, and before I could open my mouth to ask my long list of questions, the SC chair started running through everything he thought I ought to know.  At the end, I didn't have a single question or concern.</p>
<p>I immediately realized that a department where the SC is polite, honest, and forthcoming will probably also be an ok place to work.  I took the job.
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			<title>leader_of_cheer on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^exactly. We can all admit there is room for improvement in handling campus visits. As a candidate on the market this year, it said a lot to me when one department handled all of the travel details (with my input on what worked best for me) whereas others left me to fend for myself. Sure, I'm capable of using Kayak.com and I signed up for a credit card this year so that I could float expenses until being reimbursed (usually 2 months after a job talk). That said, when considering which place will best support me to do research (and not have to worry about the secretarial or logistics work necessary to do my research), the place that took care of my travel details wins points. And yes, the place that actually thought to give me some time to myself to prepare for my talk conveyed to me that they are human and once gave job talks and know what the process is like. And forgive me if in addition to working with great scholars and committed teachers, I also want to work with humans.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-145742</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Granted these are minor annoyances, but remember what started the thread:  OP was a SC member asking, "how do we improve visits for our candidates?", not a candidate complaining, "can you believe how awful it is that depts always offer you soda!?!"  A fair takeaway might be that visits work reasonably well as is, but someone _did_ ask for suggestions.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>"I am Dr. Amy Bishop!"
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-145689</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Second the above: candidates think that because they were rude to the staff, the staff cost them the job. No: faculty observing that you were rude to the staff cost you the job. That includes behavior in hotels and restaurants, by the way [and don't get paranoid -- I'm not talking minor issues here, I'm talking folks who apparently delight in sending expensive signals that they are jerks. Though I suppose I should be thanking them.]
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^ agreed. Tenured mid r1 here, and how people handle minor annoyances indicates how they handle major problems. Nothing, and I mean nothing, that happens on an interview will come close the significant problems you will face on the TT and in the career. Also, word to the wise, how you treat staff before, during, and after the interview counts much for my assessment of your candidacy. Job candidates that are rude, demanding, and condescending toward staff, no matter how polished to faculty, aren't going to get the job.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Ok, look.  I'm married, have two daughters, own a cat, and I dote over everyone in my house.  I go out of my way to be helpful to people, both those I know and those I don't.  What I'm saying is, I'm generally a nice, sympathetic kind of guy.</p>
<p>That being said...GROW THE **** UP, PEOPLE.  An academic job interview is a place where you have have been given the opportunity to convince a group of people to give you lifetime employment. You need 15 minutes alone?  Someone offered you too much soda?  To afraid to ask for a pee break?  Reimbursement didn't come fast enough?  DEAL WITH IT.  We have a name for these things: minor annoyances.  Life is full of them, for everyone.  If you can't figure out how to deal with these little things which crop up - especially on what is likely the most important day of your professional life - it signals to me you are likely a high-maintenance, personally incapable individual.  Possibly incredibly self-absorbed as well.  It would make me seriously doubt that I want to spend the next 6-30 years with you in the next office.  </p>
<p>Seriously, stop whining.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I want to figure out if this is an area where I wish to spend the rest of my life. B&#38;B proprietors are very helpful in that regard. Faceless, corporate hotels are all the same.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>"Old lady" at B&#38;B recently saved me when I discovered before being picked up that a button was missing from my jacket.
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			<title>Otis Reem on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=3#post-145645</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Otis Reem</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Somebody sure doesn't like Pepsi products.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 09:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>"Wow. Too many people (politely) offered you a soda? Horrors! Have you ever heard of a trash can?"<br />
What if you were in a room where tossing the unwanted soda will be immediately noticeable? "No" should mean "no." If a candidate says "no" at the dinner or whatever table/or anywhere or anything during a campus visit...their "no, thank you" should be respected.Don't patronize them by insisting just because you are the one in a position to offer them a job
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Having read this thread, I'd like to thank all (well, OK, both) the departments that have interviewed me for their professionalism, politeness, common sense and general decency. </p>
<p>And please, remember that a substantial portion of the population truly loathes B&#38;B's. Generic business traveler hotels are perfectly appropriate for the situation, but I'd take a filthy Motel 6 over a B &#38; B every time.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Even if you're one of those who thinks that any grownup should feel comfortable asking for a bathroom break,</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, I think that someone visiting a department who has the balls to shill their job talk like its greatness is on a par with the **** ascension (basically every talk I've ever seen or given) should have the confidence to ask for a bathroom break.</p>
<p>How the hell are you going to control a lecture theater of 400 undergrads if you can't politely request to take a **** on a day-long visit?
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm in complete agreement with those who ask SCs to avoid Bed and Breakfasts.  Especially if said B&#38;B is operated by an extremely inquisitive old lady who happens to be BFF with members of the department.</p>
<p>Having to respond to questions like, "I don't see a ring on your finger....you DO like girls, don't you?," and "Where do you go to church?," and "How many babies do you have?" got really **** old.</p>
<p>Not to mention I had to share a bathroom with some random dude....
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Have at least someone on the SC read</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200303/rauch" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200303/rauch</a></p>
<p>and realize that the energy requirements for candidates will differ. (but once hired, while you extraverts are out whooping it up, we're be writing and publishing and, in the end, destroy you. But we'll be quiet about it. Really. Sorry to be a bother.)
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, I don't get the problem here. I don't understand the psychology of people being reluctant or unwilling to say they need a couple of minutes in the bathroom. </p></blockquote>
<p>Freud would understand :)
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 18:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I'll second this:</p>
<p>"But whenever I have one-on-ones with candidates, I start by asking them if they would like some water, coffee, or some time for a bathroom break. And more often that not, they do want one of those things. When you're being shuttled from one meeting to the next, it can be intimidating to ask for a break for something that seems so 'minor.' "</p>
<p>Even if you're one of those who thinks that any grownup should feel comfortable asking for a bathroom break, I hope that you wouldn't one of your candidates to perform less well because he or she is shy about this, or to feel marginally less welcomed at your school and choose another place because no breaks were offered.  It probably won't matter to either you or the candidate on the margin, but you shouldn't want it to.
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^I imagine the average faculty member over his/her career will spend more time visiting candidates than the average candidate will during their interviews.  As such, I think it is important to think of the comfort of faculty.  Also, if you blew your job talk, would you really want to spend the rest of your two day interview talking to people who are wondering why they invited you in the first place?
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>^Yeah, cause we care how this process is painful for you!
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			<title>Anonymous on "Comments on Campus Visits"</title>
			<link>http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21705&amp;page=2#post-145355</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 17:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I'm surprised by the suggestions of having the job talk first things and then follow with 1 on 1 visits.  There is nothing worse, at least from a faculty perspective, of being stuck with someone for 30 to 45 minutes after they bombed their job talk. You face one of two distasteful situations. It could be the case that both of you realize that there is no chance that the candidate will be offered the job.  Or you face the situation where the job candidate thinks everthing went great.  Either way is very very painful.
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