political science job rumors » Topic: JOP vs. ASR

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 05:14:07 +0000

Yeah--JOP to get respect from your department and letter-writers. After that, ASR would be cool.

And if you think your methods are better than theirs, your marginal impact should be much greater. You can teach them how to use TSLS, or something equally pathbreaking, and they'll doubtless fall all over themselves to cite you.

anonymous on "JOP vs. ASR"

anonymous — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:39:03 +0000

ASR. As to JOP, been there done that, that, that. . .

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:26:48 +0000

^This is not a methods thread. Don't hijack this one. Go start your own.

ASR vs. JOP?

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 04:23:53 +0000

And, as anyone who's done cross-national research, the fanciest method almost always return the same results as a basic linear regression model.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....

RAF on "JOP vs. ASR"

RAF — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:52:04 +0000

JOP, anyone who says otherwise is nuts

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:36:01 +0000

ASR

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:19:23 +0000

Back to the original question: Would you rather a JOP or an ASR?

lll on "JOP vs. ASR"

lll — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:14:37 +0000

^ Can't agree more. But mostly these are insecure students who are in search of some sort of reaffirmation.

alert on "JOP vs. ASR"

alert — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 04:57:56 +0000

^ I agree with you. Silly quasi-quant political scientists trying to show themselves because they took the 3 required method courses in their program. Those are the ones that keep political science behind compared to sociology and other sciences

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:00:23 +0000

^ and ^^ That's why we are not even close to sociology. Because political scientists always get stuck at discussion such irrelevant things. If you prefer, why don't we better open a whole new thread and discuss the profound questions: Is linear regression good or bad? Are disciplines that use LR obsolete? are... Give me a fkn break!

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:23:17 +0000

^ But a lot of the fancier methods are specifically designed to deal with the second issue you mention (non-random samples). So, don't just run OLS. Learn the best possible method for your question.

regress on "JOP vs. ASR"

regress — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 06:02:13 +0000

OLS linear regression is fine if you have a problem and data that can be answered using OLS linear regression. As any statistician would tell us, run your damn regression already! Our sample sizes are far too small and fall too not random for us to get hung up on what the most fancy method is, since we don't even meet the assumptions of the basic methods. And, as anyone who's done cross-national research, the fanciest method almost always return the same results as a basic linear regression model.

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 02:14:54 +0000

Man... the difference in the rankings is too big. This is only showing the ranking of the main outlets in both disciplines, but if you look at the rankings there are many other sociology journals upranking PS top 3. This sucks.

think on "JOP vs. ASR"

think — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 00:35:32 +0000

ASA and APSA are roughly the same size, but ASA might be more interdisciplinary. Which, not incidentally, explains why ASR and AJS outrank the 'top 3' political science journal. Believe it or not, sociology is less fragmented into subfields than PS and citations are shared more widely. Plus, scholars in a host of other fields will make use of sociological theory and cite accordingly at a far higher rate than PS. Sociology may lose out on prestige and money, but they get the advantages of interdisciplinary engagement.

Anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

Anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 22:11:37 +0000

^^ Clearly you are an ignorant in statistics. BY "OLS" I guess you mean Linear Regression (not Ordinary Least Squares, which is a method for estimation). Either way, Linear Regression is huge in many other disciplines much more sophisticated than the social sciences. What you need to learn is how to run a good LR!

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 12:09:18 +0000

^^ Didn't you know that?

It's a much bigger discipline at most universities. My first interview was at a tiny LAC, where I would be the second full time political scientist. They only offered a minor but were planning to expand to three faculty to offer a major. They'd had 5 sociologists forever. A pretty normal arrangement, far moreso than the other way around. The fanciness of their number manipulation techniques aside, they're a far more significant discipline in American universities.

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 07:12:26 +0000

That's because they generally suck - easier to be a big fish in that tiny pond. OLS is still fancy there.

Anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

Anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:59:46 +0000

Holy crap! Sociology beats political science by far!

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 06:51:47 +0000

From All Disciplines Journal Rankings (2010):

Ranking Journal

2462 American Journal of Sociology
2779 Annual Review of Sociology
3911 American Sociological Review
4568 American Political Science Review
5806 American Journal of Political Science
6709 Journal of Politics

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 04:29:04 +0000

If I was voting on a tenure case of someone who had a few traditional top-3 hits, I'd prefer the ASR.

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 02:08:58 +0000

If your goal is to maximize citations regardless of discipline, ASR is the clear winner (likely beats APSR / AJPS, too). http://in-cites.com/journals/top-soc.html

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:50:38 +0000

^^Very few APSA members get the JOP. Every ASA member gets the ASR.

Anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

Anon — Thu, 02 Feb 2012 01:42:26 +0000

If you were Peyton Manning, where would you prefer to publish?

lost on "JOP vs. ASR"

lost — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 23:26:34 +0000

Number of ASA members vs Number of APSA members. Anybody know?

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:36:14 +0000

^Assume this person is wrong. Continue discussion.

Gary King on "JOP vs. ASR"

Gary King — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:59:10 +0000

^Sure, but if someone already had published in APSR, AJPS, etc., I seriously doubt that person would be hanging around on PSJR asking for publication advice!

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:41:28 +0000

Agreed on differences in scenarios:

If a person already has a job and has multiple articles already published in APSR/AJPS/JOP, then ASR could be better. If that person doesn't have a job or doesn't have many other big hits, then JOP is likely better.

anonymous on "JOP vs. ASR"

anonymous — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:35:28 +0000

Not to shock you, but some people already have jobs, and some are even already tenured. For them, publishing in ASR very likely will do more to further their careers.

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 16:24:25 +0000

If your goal is to get a job in a political science department, then you would rather have a JOP article.

If your goal is to get a job in a sociology department, then you would rather have an ASR article.

It's so simple.

anon on "JOP vs. ASR"

anon — Wed, 01 Feb 2012 15:51:39 +0000

ASR. First, as the top journal in another field, it would help establish the author's reputation across disciplines. Most universities (deans, provosts, promotion review committees) like that. Second, it has an impact factor much higher than that of JOP. Thus, all else equal, a paper there is likely to be cited more and have more influence on future scholarship.