political science job rumors » Topic: Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:30:57 +0000

Not if they accept federal money, which they all pretty much do.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:23:10 +0000

OP: Private schools can do whatever they want.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:35:32 +0000

Don't want to pile on here, but I teach at a directional where most of the students are working class and white and a handful go on to law school taking on huge debt so that they don't work. In fact, many law schools prohibit, expressly, student's working while attending at least in their first years. All law students, by the time they are 3L and likely preparing for the bar are working in an externship. Seems like this confounding variable may have to be confounded some more.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:21:32 +0000

I love how the "pigmentation and chromosome" suddenly have problems with statistics when they don't confirm all of there self-evident "truths." Then we need to start looking at "confounding variables" to get a better picture of the situation. Too bad these same ideologues won't consider confounding variables when painting white, affluent, heterosexual males with a broad brush.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:17:59 +0000

No *you* be intellectually honest. The data on race and bar exams cited from CA is old, did not take into account what schools the students came from (and hence their income and class backgrounds--it attributed everything to race with the implication that blacks either are intellectually inferior or got into law school on unfair AA grounds) and furthermore is incomplete since many studies compare percentages finally passing (not on the first attempt).

Here are some stats you should consider, they are called "confounding variables." Look that up in Stats 101. A higher proportion of minority students work while in law school. Working more hours is a far stronger predictor than race (http://www.ble.state.tx.us/one/analysis_0704tbe.htm). A higher proportion of white (wealthier) bar takers took bar prep courses.

Gee. What a surprise. Income = more resources = higher passage rates. Income correlated with race. Who woulda thunk it?

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 05:20:04 +0000

^^Hold on, we're not just talking about lower income students. Stop with your AA code. We're talking about minorities, irrespective of income. Please at least be intellectually honest on that point.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 05:10:13 +0000

A bit of googling shows that ^^^^ provides a highly misleading recitation of the evidence. Is this how you conduct your research as well, selective evidence to prove your biased viewpoint?

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 05:03:13 +0000

^^^ Cite the source of these figures. I'd also like to know who is failing--is it affirmative action admits in top schools, or students out of factory line schools? If the latter, it could be used as evidence in favor of AA, since it shows that lower income students continue to suffer in a second rate educational system.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:54:03 +0000

^Sorry, but who gives a pinched loaf if a minority has debt? We all have debt from school. The real issue is the spots these morons are taking.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:49:18 +0000

whoever keeps dredging up this thread, please stop your one-sided conversation.

(yes, we can tell that you're talking to yourself.)

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:46:26 +0000

Also, law and medical fields have the bar exam and medical boards to determine who is allowed to practice. So, it's not like there are hoards of unqualified people committing malpractice out there.

Bar passage rates for blacks are much worse than for whites, with bar passage rates for blacks being often less than 50% in CA, the toughest bar. For medical boards, you see the same pattern, with black passage rates often less than 50%, compared to close to 90% for whites.

The bigger concern should be saddling people with three years of law school debt and then they can't get licensed to practice.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:45:02 +0000

^Your post makes no sense; please slow down, learn to be coherent, and retry at your convenience.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:38:00 +0000

By the time you're looking at law school, med. school, etc., where lives hang in the balance,

How fucking self centered anal gazing ignorant can you be? My god! You're right! A life is hanging in the balance!! You did not get into the sixth best law school instead got into the ninth best. Some undeserving minority took YOUR PERSONAL SLOT! Because that's how they do these things.

Holy shit! Your life was just flushed down the crapper. you might as well shoot yourself.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 21:47:44 +0000

Agree with everything above except substitute "I'm black, a viction, and angry" and you have a much more accurate portrait of how academia works today. And by the way, I'm old school conservative, as in I'm better than the lot of you and though I have an obligation to take care of your sorry asses, I certainly don't have to like or talk to you.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:43:00 +0000

the whole "I'm white, a victim, and angry" crap really has gotten old. You all need to grow a spine and go out and achieve something without blaming others. Don't be an idiot or a bigot, if you're really a conservative, then blame yourself for your failures.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 05:00:47 +0000

I don't like rashes either!

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 03:39:55 +0000

You be rashist!

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 02:09:01 +0000

These schools are engaged in social engineering run amuck. By the time you're looking at law school, med. school, etc., where lives hang in the balance, and where all applicants have had their shot in undergrad., race really should not be an issue. Performance is the only criterion that should count.

Are we really to believe that these same universities that are bending over backwards to give unfair advantage to minorities in grad admissions are also somehow complicit in holding same down in undergrad? This must be the b.s. "systemic racism" argument admissions committees use to justify admitting clearly unqualified but nonetheless "protected" applicants. It just doesn't make sense.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:11:48 +0000

OP, dunno if you actually meant what you wrote, but you need to brush up on Supreme Court rulings regarding affirmative action. AA has been upheld many times; what the Court struck down were rigid rules like quotas, point systems, etc.

Dunno what's going to happen in this TX case, but I'll bet a 3-dollar bill that the Court will not struck down race-neutral schemes like top-10. And it will do so while still ruling in favor of Fisher, since her complaint has to do with the way UT incorporated race among those who didn't graduate in the top 10% of their class.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:59:47 +0000

OP here: I love that in order to talk about armed resistance I have to prove empirically that sytemic racism is taking place. This was, of course, meant in jest, but apparently for some radical whackos it's a very real option...with evidence of course.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:56:40 +0000

(I've never lost a single opportunity because of some mud person, and at my R1 now I'll never have to teach any either.)

Of course not. You're connected in countless other ways; the burden really falls on middle class and especially lower class white males.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:56:31 +0000

why are you disturbed? You must have some profound proof apart from your anecdotal evidence which says that they are not race blind to be able to talk about armed resistance. And to protect whom against what exactly? I am white but gosh I am happy I am not one of your students.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:56:01 +0000

(I've never lost a single opportunity because of some mud person, and at my R1 now I'll never have to teach any either.)

Of course not. You're connected in countless other ways; the burden really falls on middle class and especially lower class white males.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:48:09 +0000

Yeah why do they keep admitting people that clearly look suspicious!

Incidentally, I'm sort of a member of a minority group that is listed on some job application forms but not others. As a result I've applied to some jobs as a white guy, and some as something else. I've been more successful among the jobs where I've applied as a white guy. Small N, obviously, but minority status is not the ticket people imagine it to be.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:29:45 +0000

The unusually high proportion of young black criminals proves that white fear is justified.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:09:15 +0000

The recent Florida shooting of an innocent and unarmed black teenager proves that we still live in a racist society. Therefore these quotas must stay.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:08:56 +0000

Wait for the current court to make its decision. I am hopeful that a remedy is finally comming.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:08:54 +0000

I've never lost a single opportunity because of some mud person, and at my R1 now I'll never have to teach any either.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 21:01:57 +0000

Clown ^ and clown ^^ would likely be chanting "no justice, no peace" if the situation were reversed.

anon on "Aren't law schools supposed to be making race-blind admission decisions?"

anon — Fri, 23 Mar 2012 20:57:29 +0000

They're admitting based on **** size. Since you apparently have a vagina masquerading as a sack, you were soundly rejected.