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Ph.D Supply and Demand

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  • Started 7 months ago by Smallville
  • Latest reply from anonymous
  1. Good thread. I come from a lower ranked R1, my specialization all but dissipated in my third year when the remaining IR people left. I was done with coursework, had an IR based dissertation and no IR folk to do it with. So I improvised, choose a committee I trusted and liked and got the damn thing done in two years, using a statistical system that was developed by my primary adviser.
    It was assumed I would not find a job by the "powers that be". Jokes on them, I am very happy at a small institution that hired me based on my dissertation and my personality and it's worked out for both of us, judging from my semester end reviews.
    I am one of two from my cohort that has a job, and the only one I know of to have a TT position.
    That should scare you right there. Out of 6 or so, two employed, only one at a TT position. The other fellow who has a lecturer position is quite capable and I am a little surprised he has not translated this into a TT position.
    Sure, my school is small, but I have job security, a very good group of co-workers and lots of room for development. Plus, it fits my research interests in a way that would be scoffed at my Phd school (save for my advisor)
    I don't think there is so much a huge supply as we are in a depressed market right now. I was lucky, no doubt about that. I also think that name recognition alone is really over-played. I know of better research at small non-ranked schools than many R1s. I compare the current stuff and find that the more dynamic writing is being done at the small schools. Much of the material I see coming out of R1s seems like variations on already done research, like they are desperately trying to not "rock the boat" and get placed at another R1.
    I don't know, maybe because it's because we, as Provincial Political Scientists have nothing to lose.

    If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  2. Hey, RedGreen, not your best writing sample I presume? :)

    Posted 7 months ago #
  3. I hope you're not criticizing my writing on an internet forum. I know the internet is serious business, but it's not like I'm submitting the above post for a journal.

    Quando omni flunkus, moritati.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  4. Defensive, much?

    Look, it's no big deal, so relax. It's just difficult to understand the substantive point you were making in the post. Again, no big deal, as you say it's not a journal submission.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  5. I didn't mean to overreact, and I try not to get defensive, but I thought I made some decent points and the only reply out of you I get is about my writing style. On the internet.
    Seriously, we are in quite the bind in regards to supply and demand with PhDs; it's kind of scary. What do you think about that?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  6. See, I didn't think that was the main substantive point of your post. Thank you for clarifying. I thought you were mostly making a point about the best research in political science emanating from non-top R1 depts and non-R1 depts (though I wasn't entirely sure about that).

    In any case, yes, supply is exceeding demand of Ph.D.s. Point taken.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  7. Tulsa was clearly being a troll, post was written fine enough. I don't get what the dysfunction was. Point was that if you work hard, lower your expectations, and seek a place in terms of fit rather than status it is possible to do well coming from a lower ranked institution.

    Tulsa, are you one of those assholes who rejects manuscript based on grammar and style?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  8. coburn
    Member

    See, i didn't think that was your point either. Statements like "I don't think there is so much a huge supply as we are in a depressed market right now," for example, don't seem to support that point. Indeed, this statement is just silly -- read Menand's new book, or Bousquet's. This is a 50 year trend, not a depressed market.

    And if an submission's "writing style" including meandering around while making contradictory points and non-sequiturs, yes, I'd reject it.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  9. If I wrote like that I would not be in this profession. My god people, you sure get fixated like Harold on a women.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  10. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    The key to become competitive in this tough job market is.....advanced stat skills everyone. This NYT article shows that PhD with stat skills, which includes most polisci PhDs graduated within the last decade, are in high demand not just in academic, but also in non-academic setting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/06/technology/06stats.html

    Posted 6 months ago #
  11. Anonymous
    Unregistered

    Also try this one (a bit more recent):

    http://www.economist.com/specialreports/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15557443

    Bottom line is that if you've got reasonable statistical skills, you should have no difficulty finding a job that pays [very] well. Though not necessarily the job you were originally trained for, nor the TT position that you so richly deserve at one of the ten or twenty top-3 R1s. And your dissertation committee may view you as a complete failure, though when you visit campus in five years and park your Ferrari next to your committee chair's Hyundai, you won't feel so bad.

    [of course, I'm making up the last part, since even if you come back to campus in a Ferrari, you won't be able to get a parking permit.]

    And even with statistics skills, you will only have a job until such time that some of the Asian students who are constantly getting trashed on PSJR pool the useless dollars earned by their companies, buy yours, and shut it down purely out of spite. At which point you can join the political theorists who are living in appliance boxes under the freeway.

    Any questions?

    Posted 6 months ago #

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