The reputation is they have the best faculty but the worst job placement, among the top 5. What is their problem?
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Yale and Michigan
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They don't have the best faculty. Their faculty is good, however. They don't have a culture of training students. And neither gets the best students.
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Their faculty don't pay attention to individual students, unlike at Rochester.
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Grad students are retarded to go there.
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GIGO?
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^ Retarded to go to Michigan or Yale that is, not to Rochester.
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Rochester is the best, all other grad programs are stooopid.
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Faculty think they are hot shit and do not work with students. Therefore, there is no culture of grad training at these departments.
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Back when I was in high school, I remember getting a letter from Tulane that read "You can get a good education anywhere, why not do it in New Orleans"
Similarly, you can get a top-10 education in Boston, New York, Chicago, Palo Alto, or Princeton NJ so why would you go to New Haven or Ann Arbor? Thus, Yale and Michigan get crappier students, and GIGO.
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What is GIGO?
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Garbage in garbage out
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No, that is not the correct answer. Good students go to both Yale and Michigan. Years of neglect by the faculty, poor training, and no individual attention all contribute to relatively weak job placement by the time the students finish. The graduate program is not a priority at these departments. You're better off attending a department that prides itself on small cohort size and close attention to preparing students for the job market.
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says the grad student?
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^^^What makes Palo Alto or Princeton so much more desirable than New Haven or Ann Arbor? It's about the same amount of time to get to Manhattan from New Haven as Princeton, and from New Haven you don't have to go by way of Newark/Jersey City. And frankly, out of those 7 cities, I'd have Ann Arbor ranked fourth, and the education in New York or Chicago doesn't compare.
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No, that is not the correct answer. Good students go to both Yale and Michigan. Years of neglect by the faculty, poor training, and no individual attention all contribute to relatively weak job placement by the time the students finish. The graduate program is not a priority at these departments. You're better off attending a department that prides itself on small cohort size and close attention to preparing students for the job market.
I smell a passive-aggressive attempt to boost Rochester. How would a grad student know about the culture at both programs?
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My ranking of top-5 cities based on attractiveness for a 20s/30s grad student.
Cambridge (I admit I am biased)
Berkeley
Ann Arbor
Princeton (only because NYC isn't too far away)
Palo Alto
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Palo Alto sucks but living in SF is viable once you are done with most of your classwork and you don't have to be on campus every day. Living in New York and commuting to New Haven would be insane.
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Why aren't Michigan grad students as active on PSJR? At least Yale grads are good for one or two comedic moments on the blogs every year (Carlos Osiro, etc).
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Why aren't Michigan grad students as active on PSJR?
PSJR rivalries:
Harvard v. Rochester
Princeton v. Duke
Stanford v. Berkeley
Yale v. FSU
Michigan v. ?????Posted 6 months ago # -
Wait, since when was placement at Yale bad? They've placed students at HKS (twice), Princeton, Columbia, Cornell, etc in the past several years.
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^ Thank you, Yale student/faculty booster.
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I think that posters on this board are overly pessimistic and elitist. I would give my left nut to get into either school. Look at their excellent placement records
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well, as undergrads are finding out that they have NOT been admitted into some of the top programs, we are bound to hear more of this soon.
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^ No wonder you have only one left
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^ Now that was an amazing response, thanks!
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