The Big Ten is vastly underrated.(30 posts) (1 voice)
The SEC has better athletes.
In Poli Sci the Big 10 definitely has the better athletes!
Sure, I'll bite. In Big-10 political science departments, what athletes are in these departments? As faculty? As graduate students?
Rochester is better.
Academically speaking, the Big 10 is ultra solid.
Top 25ish programs:
Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana...that's 7 out of 12.
Other solid middle programs: Purdue, Nebraska, Michigan State
and also Penn State. Which for pol sci (especially quant) is pretty **** good, and getting better. Yeah, not a bad conference for academics. Football on the other hand--nothing even comes close to touching the SEC.
Iowa would have to be in the solid middle as well.
so the entire big ten is comprised of top or upper middle tier programs.
I'll take it.
But they are not near urban areas, which is why they won't be top-10. The upside, though, is that they won't drop to #72 in the rankings either.
Geographic determinism, FTW!
If you're doing an "academic rating" of the Big Ten, then you'd need to include the University of Chicago- they were a founder of the Big Ten conference and are still part of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation, which is the academic organization that promotes cooperation between the universities in the sports conference.
There are over 3 million people in the Twin Cities metro area, Columbus, OH, has almost 2 million in its metro area, Northwestern is in Evanston, Michigan is about 45 minutes from Detroit, Indiana is about 45 minutes from Indianapolis, Purdue is about 45 minutes from either Indianapolis or Chicago, and Lansing is pretty close to a lot of urban blight (Flint, Detroit, etc.) Hardly "not near urban areas," but thanks for playing anyways!
^I think you've misread what the poster was saying. The point was they were not near urban areas where he/she wanted to live.
Penn State is the best of the Big 10 schools.
The CIC website says that the organization comprises the Big Ten plus the University of Chicago. Ergo, the CIC minus the U of C = Big Ten.
US News Rankings:
17. Ohio State
28. Michigan State
28. Penn State
24. Texas A&M
51. South Carolina
78. Louisiana State
Auburn, Arkansas, and Mississippi State don't offer Ph.D. programs in political science.
And now for the rankings that really matter:
NCAA Football Championships as recognized by College Football Data Warehouse
Michigan - 11
Ohio State - 7
Minnesota - 6
Nebraska - 5
Illinois - 4
Michigan State - 4
Penn State - 4
Iowa - 1
Total - 42
Alabama - 12
Tennessee - 4
Auburn - 3
Florida - 3
Georgia - 2
Mississippi - 2
Texas A&M - 2
Arkansas - 1
Total - 29
Big 10 is better in academics and football.
and of course i was being charitable by including a&m in with the sec, even though nothing's official.
but you're mixing metrics. the academic rankings are for the current schools, the football one is historic. How about national championships in the last 10 years? Or the likely winners of this year? You come to a very different answer (about football, of course).
the bigger question is whether the big 10 or the pac 12 are better.
in terms of political science, of course.
> Purdue is about 45 minutes from either Indianapolis or Chicago
Are you und the impression that one can get from Chicago to Indianapolis in no more than 1.5 hours?
Well, you forgot about LSU on that list of national titles. They have 2 in the past decade, and probably more in earlier times. Also, it could be pointed out that Penn State's and Nebraska's 9 national titles all came prior to Big 10 membership, so do they really count? And, Minnesota...wow, who would've guessed they have more national titles than Florida, Nebraska, LSU, Penn State, or Tennessee?
^^ If you drive like I do, you can!
The list above missed out on Wisconsin (#15 USNWR). 0 Football championships, but have you SEEN that Russell Wilson? Have mercy!
You'd have to fly the concord to get from Chicago to W Lafayette in 45 mins.
It's funny how travel time from cities to hinterlands seems to depend on where you live. My guess is cities are closer to the edge of the universe, so time seems to slow down and travel times seem to be longer.
"Hardly "not near urban areas," but thanks for playing anyways!"
Not according to simmel's operationalization, which is what the post was about. Thanks for playing, PSJR noob!
I think the Big 10 is an amazing football conference!
Nebraska does not have a good polisci department. You should've listed Iowa and Penn State before UNL.
Rankings . . . blah, blah blah blah
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