How long do most institutions give you to respond to an offer? What do most of you regard as a reasonable time frame? What is an exploding offer? Is it a phone call where they tell you - decide now, or forever hold your peace? Do you always have a sense after you interview that you'll likely get a position, or is it a surprise when an offer is granted and you have to weigh your options?
Exploding offers and standard practice
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Posted 1 year ago #
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Reasonable is 30 minutes.
Posted 1 year ago # -
3 weeks. It should be enough to weight other offers.
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Lots of old threads on this. Two weeks is the norm. You can try to get more, but if they like the next choice a good bit, they are likely to keep it to two weeks.
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The standard time, according to AAUP guidelines, is 2 weeks. When the 2 weeks start (at time of initial offer, point at which contract gets to you, etc.) probably depends on the institutions.
Not all departments or schools follow this guideline, of course. 3 weeks is fairly unrealistic, given 2nd choice candidates who are also awaiting offers, etc.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Really sorry for resurrecting old news McIRProf but some of us that are new on the job market don't know about those threads and could benefit from some good advice. I often learn the hard way, but I went to the meetings and I don't remember any of the ABD's at my institution asking this question or anyone ever giving me any info on this question.
Posted 1 year ago # -
And you probably also never heard of search functions... you poor thing.
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^ funny.
Some of us were taught not to trust what we find on the internet unless it's from a scholarly source. Some of us actually teach that in our classes. I know I teach that to my students. This board is the functional equivalent of wikipedia. I come here for entertainment and nothing more. It's actually worse since there's no accountability or attempts at citing anything. Do you accept wikipedia as a source? How much higher are the stakes in a job search than an undergrad term paper?
Trolling aside, search functions aren't going to help the snowflakes falling for the crap we tell them. Thanks for the real info though, because if I were a snowflake, I would appreciate it.
Doesn't it suck that we're here on a Friday night? My excuse is that I'm grading and I need to procrastinate once in a while.
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> Some of us were taught not to trust what we find on the internet unless it's from a scholarly source.
Trust should never be based on the source. It should be based on reasoning that's believable to an educated person. A source can be at best a heuristic to tell you how believable some reasoning would be if you followed it through all the way. And Wikipedia often has as much claim to value by that heuristic as "scholarly" sources.
Holding up scholarly sources as inherently better than wikipedia is anti-intellectual and useful only to protect the academic guild.
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> 3 weeks is fairly unrealistic
You are saying it's unrealistic to be given 3 weeks from the time formal terms are offered?
I got news for you, cupcake, I've had 6 offers at the assistant professor level in my day, and not a single one had a deadline that tight. Maybe that's how it works at shite schools like High Point University or whatever, but in real academia, it's a little more gentlemanly.
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One post up. Funny. Try explaining that one to under prepared freshmen (for a better analogy, have you ever been a parent to teenagers?). Sometimes you have to tell someone what you want in black and white terms before you can explain the reasoning behind it. But what do I know. I'm deadwood.
Last post. It's a shame not everyone agrees with your gentlemanly instincts. It must be pretty heady to be on a search committee this year, when you're on the phone with a top person in the field asking why his published advisee is worth a shot at your position at Walla Walla Pentecostal University. And then telling the Harvard kid that he has until tomorrow morning to decide. Two body problem? Can't you both live off of his salary of $40k a year?
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^^
Please read: A personal appeal from Wikipedia founder "Anon."Posted 1 year ago # -
Back on topic kids. Ok, so if standard practice is 2-3 weeks, how do some places get away with one night? And why do they do this? Do they like interviewing people?
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^^Win. Funniest fukking thing I've seen all day. thanks.
Posted 1 year ago # -
yes, we know. it was all different in the 70s. things have changed since than in the field. and, btw, why the
fuck are you on a stupid grad student board when you have a perfect job in iowa? you piece ofshit old useless fart. of course you are not happy.I got news for you, cupcake, I've had 6 offers at the assistant professor level in my day, and not a single one had a deadline that tight. Maybe that's how it works at shite schools like High Point University or whatever, but in real academia, it's a little more gentlemanly.Posted 1 year ago # -
Actually I used the search function because I too thought exploding job offer deadlines has been covered MANY times
But couldn't find much ….here is one old thread -consistent with the 2 week deadline:
http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21691#post-144746my 2 cents to the OP -
2 weeks is typical -RARELY schools have actually given shorter notice …but that is usually a very special case where they have a strong #2 candidate who they know they will lose if they wait for you to accept.
ACTUALLY one real reason schools would give short "one night" deadlines is b/c of some other schools exploding deadline.MORE commonly schools will actually extend the time by a week or so if you ask/have reason…some schools have longer deadlines like 3 weeks or even NO deadline on offer but they can rescind it at any time if they feel the negotiation isn't going well.
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Hey, huh wha? Sorry guys, I was napping.
*Ahem*
Yes, you fargin' nard-harglers--we've covered this many times before, most recently just last month.
http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=59319I'm not sure why I'm the only one in this godforsaken place "blessed" with the ability to use google.
http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=20749
http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=21304
http://www.poliscijobrumors.com/topic.php?id=648Posted 1 year ago # -
And none of you have graduate advisers you could ask? Must be an interesting PhD factory you come from.
Posted 1 year ago # -
I thought these offers only happened in Israel.
Posted 1 year ago # -
One of my students had two offers this year. One gave the standard two weeks, but the other gave just one week. In the end I don't think that there is anything that one can do about being given a shorter time frame with which to make a decision. Many institutions feel that they are morally bound to the two week standard time frame, since this is an AAUP guidelilne, but others don't take that view.
Posted 1 year ago # -
"Nard hargler"
INSULT OF THE YEAR!!!
Posted 1 year ago # -
GOD DAM.N IT!
"Farging nard harglers"
Sorry Otis. I am not worthy to be your bit.ch
Posted 1 year ago # -
Is there a coterie of male grad students who jack off to their deadwood old man supervisor's every word that worships this Otis fellow? Sick but not surprising.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Theres some womyn too. They jill off.
Posted 1 year ago # -
I used to hate, HATE Otis back when I was on the market a few years ago. He was so rude and brash. He still is of course - but now that I've got a job I've come to appreciate his humor in the way that (I think) it is intended. Or maybe I was just a hyper-sensitive snowflake ABD and having Otis there thru the process helped me grow up a little.
Posted 1 year ago # -
Is anybody else sick of McIrprof's worthless advice? He seems like such a pompous freaking windbag. I feel so bad for his students.
Posted 1 year ago # -
He seems like such a pompous freaking windbag.
A 3-sentence, 2-line post qualifies him as a "windbag"? Go **** yourself.
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Posted 9 months ago # -
Tom Cruise, of all people, actually made a series of fairly useful films about exploding offers. I forget the details, but in his case the offers usually came from government agencies (the IMF for example) and the offers were pretty clear ("Mr Hunt, should you choose to accept this mission...") but forget about a two week window. The job offer would literally explode in about 5 seconds....
Posted 9 months ago # -
^ I don't get it. Was he ever a political scientist?
Posted 9 months ago #