Would you rather have an article published in the Journal of Politics or the American Sociological Review?
JOP vs. ASR
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That's an easy choice: ASR.
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I practice political science, not sociology.
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Then why publish in a politics journal instead of a political science one?
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if this board has established anything, it's that JOP is a useless piece of trash. anyone with a pair of neurons to rub together can get published there. useless tripe.
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^So you've published there?
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It depends on the audience you are trying to reach, who you need to impress, the usual calculations.
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JOP because I am in a political science department at a university that values top ranked journals in my discipline based on past tenure cases. ASR would be great, but I'd rather have JOP as successful cases in my department have had JOPs and not ASRs.
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ASR. First, as the top journal in another field, it would help establish the author's reputation across disciplines. Most universities (deans, provosts, promotion review committees) like that. Second, it has an impact factor much higher than that of JOP. Thus, all else equal, a paper there is likely to be cited more and have more influence on future scholarship.
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If your goal is to get a job in a political science department, then you would rather have a JOP article.
If your goal is to get a job in a sociology department, then you would rather have an ASR article.
It's so simple.
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Not to shock you, but some people already have jobs, and some are even already tenured. For them, publishing in ASR very likely will do more to further their careers.
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Agreed on differences in scenarios:
If a person already has a job and has multiple articles already published in APSR/AJPS/JOP, then ASR could be better. If that person doesn't have a job or doesn't have many other big hits, then JOP is likely better.
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^Sure, but if someone already had published in APSR, AJPS, etc., I seriously doubt that person would be hanging around on PSJR asking for publication advice!
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^Assume this person is wrong. Continue discussion.
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Number of ASA members vs Number of APSA members. Anybody know?
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If you were Peyton Manning, where would you prefer to publish?
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^^Very few APSA members get the JOP. Every ASA member gets the ASR.
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If your goal is to maximize citations regardless of discipline, ASR is the clear winner (likely beats APSR / AJPS, too). http://in-cites.com/journals/top-soc.html
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If I was voting on a tenure case of someone who had a few traditional top-3 hits, I'd prefer the ASR.
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From All Disciplines Journal Rankings (2010):
Ranking Journal
2462 American Journal of Sociology
2779 Annual Review of Sociology
3911 American Sociological Review
4568 American Political Science Review
5806 American Journal of Political Science
6709 Journal of PoliticsPosted 1 year ago # -
Holy crap! Sociology beats political science by far!
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That's because they generally suck - easier to be a big fish in that tiny pond. OLS is still fancy there.
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^^ Didn't you know that?
It's a much bigger discipline at most universities. My first interview was at a tiny LAC, where I would be the second full time political scientist. They only offered a minor but were planning to expand to three faculty to offer a major. They'd had 5 sociologists forever. A pretty normal arrangement, far moreso than the other way around. The fanciness of their number manipulation techniques aside, they're a far more significant discipline in American universities.
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^^ Clearly you are an ignorant in statistics. BY "OLS" I guess you mean Linear Regression (not Ordinary Least Squares, which is a method for estimation). Either way, Linear Regression is huge in many other disciplines much more sophisticated than the social sciences. What you need to learn is how to run a good LR!
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ASA and APSA are roughly the same size, but ASA might be more interdisciplinary. Which, not incidentally, explains why ASR and AJS outrank the 'top 3' political science journal. Believe it or not, sociology is less fragmented into subfields than PS and citations are shared more widely. Plus, scholars in a host of other fields will make use of sociological theory and cite accordingly at a far higher rate than PS. Sociology may lose out on prestige and money, but they get the advantages of interdisciplinary engagement.
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Man... the difference in the rankings is too big. This is only showing the ranking of the main outlets in both disciplines, but if you look at the rankings there are many other sociology journals upranking PS top 3. This sucks.
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OLS linear regression is fine if you have a problem and data that can be answered using OLS linear regression. As any statistician would tell us, run your damn regression already! Our sample sizes are far too small and fall too not random for us to get hung up on what the most fancy method is, since we don't even meet the assumptions of the basic methods. And, as anyone who's done cross-national research, the fanciest method almost always return the same results as a basic linear regression model.
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^ But a lot of the fancier methods are specifically designed to deal with the second issue you mention (non-random samples). So, don't just run OLS. Learn the best possible method for your question.
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^ and ^^ That's why we are not even close to sociology. Because political scientists always get stuck at discussion such irrelevant things. If you prefer, why don't we better open a whole new thread and discuss the profound questions: Is linear regression good or bad? Are disciplines that use LR obsolete? are... Give me a fkn break!
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^ I agree with you. Silly quasi-quant political scientists trying to show themselves because they took the 3 required method courses in their program. Those are the ones that keep political science behind compared to sociology and other sciences
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